Lottie Don't Lie: There is Room For Everyone At The Table

[00:00:00] If you've got a problem, Lottie's got the answer. She won't sugar coat 'em 'cause it's Lottie. And Lottie don't lie

because it's Lottie and Lottie don't lie.

Samantha: What's up skirt up squad? It is Samantha.

Melissa: And Melissa.

Samantha: And we are here for another round of Lottie Don't Lie.

Melissa: She don't, she don't lie.

Samantha: No, she's just gotta tell it how it is. I'm gonna actually tell you guys how it is right now

Melissa: How is it you tell me?

Samantha: So I Have been super embarrassed and really really grossed out that I at 30 years old have to get a colonoscopy But the more People like private people that I tell like people that I'm close to it turns out that a lot of [00:01:00] people have done it

Melissa: It's just a body part

Samantha: Yeah a lot of them were like Oh, I had to do that in my 20s Like I had to do that in my like when I was 30 and i'm like, oh so it's not that gross and it's not That weird and so i'm like, huh? I guess I just had never heard someone talk about it and So I'm doing a gross thing that I guess is not gross.

Melissa: Yeah, no the doctor's doing the gross thing you're asleep for it

Samantha: Man, what's wrong with Doctors?

Melissa: Right? What kind of kink is that?

Samantha: Okay, but okay, so I find it to be a negative that I had to do that but in a twisted

Melissa: twist of fate

Samantha: shit of events

Melissa: We got really, really funny earlier you guys, you missed it, but we had a lot of poop jokes

Samantha: Oh, we sure did. It was really funny and it was just on a roll

Melissa: we were. I wish we were recording then

Samantha: yeah, that would have been good. It was oh my [00:02:00] god. We should take our show on a comedian role

Melissa: Oh my goodness,

Samantha: On the road, but on a positive note, even though I don't need a validation or like a reason But it helps me feel like I can take two days off and do whatever I want for fun.

Melissa: Yes, actually because I was, I was just re listening to our episode that we dropped of with Jill.

Samantha: Uh huh.

Melissa: And that was one of the things was reminding yourself that you aren't tied, your value shouldn't be tied necessarily to the things that you got accomplished.

Samantha: Mm hmm.

Melissa: But sometimes you do have to trick yourself and like give yourself like an excuse or a reason

Samantha: Yeah, yeah.

Melissa: To sit back and just take some alone or quiet time.

Samantha: Yeah.

Melissa: And if this is what's working for you.

Samantha: Mentally, like literally, I know that that, it doesn't have to be a medical procedure that warrants some rest.

Melissa: Right.

Samantha: And some mean time. But it helps it feel better.

Melissa: Yeah, [00:03:00] yeah, no, I, I get you. It makes sense.

Samantha: So, anyone else who is young, um, getting a colonoscopy or having to shit in a bowl and then scoop it out. Did you have to do that?

Melissa: I don't remember that.

Samantha: Oh, did I just out you? I'm sorry.

Melissa: No, you're fine. She's like, I did not shit in a bowl and I did not scoop it out. Who did

that? Um, yeah, tell us who's done it with us.

Samantha: Yeah, it's not, we'll see how scary it is.

Melissa: It's not.

Samantha: I don't really know what to expect.

Melissa: It'll be fine.

Samantha: I think it's the unknowing of like the results.

Melissa: For sure. For sure,

Samantha: but we'll find out so it is normal to get a colonoscopy at any age.

Melissa: Yeah, totally We're all gonna be there for you. Not like in person obviously.

Samantha: No, no, Melissa Do you have something shitty to share?

Melissa: Do I have something shitty to share?

Samantha: Is someone full of shit that you just want?

Melissa: Shoot now you're putting me on the spot, but I guess that's what we do.

Samantha: [00:04:00] Maybe that should be our theme today It's just shit filled What's another word for shit? We were on like a roll.

Melissa: Crap.

Samantha: Oh yeah, I said something about it's been a crappy.

Melissa: No, she said what's been cracking me up and I said well has it been crapping you up?

Samantha: That's right.

Melissa: Anyway. No, yeah, you guys just let us know we're not alone I suppose. We've all been there. And if you haven't, it's going to happen at some point. Because like, it's literally, it's just a body part. And it's something we have to take care of ourselves.

Samantha: Yeah.

Melissa: Anywho. Lottie, don't lie.

Samantha: Mhmm.

Melissa: Yep. She has a couple things for us today. So In

Samantha: the light of Thanksgiving.

Melissa: Yep, in light of thanksgiving.

Samantha: Coming up. We thought that it would be nice to have some conversations that I think a lot of us are having and having to decide. As Thanksgiving and the holidays are coming up.

Melissa: Yeah.

Samantha: So, Melissa, I [00:05:00] think you got some fun little inserts.

Melissa: I do. So, okay. Let's, we have two, we have two really fun little, um, stories.

Samantha: We couldn't decide. Yeah, I thought they were both really important.

Melissa: I agree. Um, okay, so the first one, the poster , she's talking about how she is the one preparing Thanksgiving at her home, but her brother and his girlfriend have refused to come if everything's not going to be vegan.

Samantha: Meaning that no one can eat meat or anything that is besides vegan. Yeah.

Melissa: Yeah.

Samantha: So like. Everyone has to eat vegan.

Melissa: Everybody. So, what happened was, um, the, it kind of, they knew, they knew that the boyfriend, or the, sorry, that her brother and his girlfriend were vegan. And, uh, the girlfriend started sending a bunch of recipes to the original poster.

And, She was like, well, I'll make you guys [00:06:00] a main dish, like an alternative vegan main dish. And then I'm also gonna make, you know, one for us. And it turned into a, no, we're not coming if there's going to be anything there that is not all vegan. So, lottie.

Samantha: I think when you were telling me earlier, you also had made a comment that You said that the original, , poster had said that, just kind of irritated me. You said that,

Melissa: I think I know where you're going with this.

Samantha: So the original poster also said that her parents, so the, her mom and dad, the brother's mom and dad, are also telling her to just do a full vegan meal. mom wants to keep the peace and feels like she's choosing a traditional Thanksgiving meal over family.

And then I feel like there were using some sort of like health complications to like manipulate.

Melissa: Yeah, so the mom apparently has [00:07:00] some health issues and the dad was saying, look, this could be one of our last years together. Let's not turn this into a big fight. Let's just get together. And if that's what it's going to take to get your brother here, then do it.

What's really unfair is that it is the OP, like it's, it's all on her to do all of this. And I don't understand that part. Um, that. For me, when I'm going to somebody's house and they're providing for me and they're doing all the work, I'm not gonna sit there and be like, this is how it needs to be done.

Right?

Samantha: Yeah. Um, I cannot find a time anywhere, even with our family, where it would be appropriate to say, if you don't do this, I will not be doing this.

Melissa: Yeah, an ultimatum.

Samantha: Yeah, so to say that if you guys want to have a traditional Thanksgiving, then I'm not coming even though the option of having food available, I, that's [00:08:00] that's shitty, I think.

Melissa: Yeah, it's very controlling, isn't it?

Samantha: Yeah, and then why does everyone feel like the daughter has to cave? Why is everyone catering to the son? So then that makes me feel like there's also Yeah, like, like, uh, what do they call that? Mama's boy? Like, I, that's not fair either.

Melissa: No, you're right, actually. I hadn't really thought of it on that, in that, in those terms.

, there is something else going on there, you're right. The, okay, let's take it back a step. Let's try to look at it from the other side. So, Vegan. He's saying that he's gone vegan for ethical reasons.

Samantha: Okay.

Melissa: And, I have a bleeding heart for animals. Right?

Samantha: Are you vegan?

Melissa: I am not. Okay. No. But I keep thinking I should be, if I really want to profess how much,, I love animals and why would I, , They're, [00:09:00] some of the industries are pretty effed up, right?

Samantha: Yeah, yeah. I think anyone can agree.

Melissa: Like the meat and the chicken. So, I understand like the humane, the inhumane side of things and wanting to kind of only support good things. I don't think that it's fair though to take my beliefs and make somebody else have to either agree with them or, um.

Samantha: Facts?

Melissa: Yeah, or like support. them in the same way that I do.

Samantha: Mm hmm. And I think it was more than nice to say, I will make you a vegan option, rather than saying, hey, I'm doing this for everyone because that's what we all eat. You're more than welcome to bring your own dish, because I think that I wouldn't have taken that on because I don't know how to cook vegan, and I don't want to fuck it up and be the one responsible for it, like.

Melissa: So, it's funny that you, okay, you just reminded me apparently the brother and the girlfriend live in a van. Probably down by a river.

Samantha: That sounds like a hippie vegan thing to do.

Melissa: Yeah, so, I mean, I understand they're [00:10:00] trying to have a very small footprint, whatever, but, um, But that's their footprint.

Samantha: You don't pay for that.

Melissa: I don't think it's fair for them to impose their beliefs on somebody else.

Samantha: That's dictatorship. Don't go for it.

Melissa: That's right.

Samantha: I'm an asshole. You're not the asshole.

Don't cave.

Melissa: No, she doesn't, yeah. No, I mean, I, I, I, and honestly, I don't, when you say don't cave, like, I, she already was conceding. She already was being nice and trying to cut it in the middle.

Samantha: Uh uh. I wouldn't cave anymore. That's ridiculous. It's my holiday, too.

Melissa: Yeah, that's right You don't just get holidays during colonoscopies.

I Will be personally offended if you ruin my Thanksgiving with that vegan shit if you are vegan I'm not saying your shit FYI, I Just don't want to eat it.

Yeah, and that's fine. And that's fine Um But I do think there's place for everybody at [00:11:00] the table. Ooh,

Samantha: there is.

Melissa: Look at that little, that was a perfect little saying for this.

Samantha: Spread of knowledge. Did I just make another funny?

Melissa: Spread, uh huh, I see what you did there.

Samantha: Spread the cheeks, food of spreads.

Melissa: Spread the cheeks! Oh no, it did have some multiple meanings that I didn't realize. Nicely done. Nicely done.

Samantha: Thanks. Full of it.

Melissa: Yeah.

Samantha: On another note, you have another one that seemed equally as important.

And I think regardless who you are, someone's going to relate to one or the other.

Melissa: Yes, all right. So, actually, you know what? Speaking of regardless who you are relating to one or the other, for all of our vegan listeners, I hope that you're not, we weren't trying to offend you in any way. Um, and I would be curious to know what you guys think.

Samantha: Oh yeah, if you also are like a vegan. Thanksgivinger. , do you require the whole family to be vegan or do [00:12:00] you just make sure that there is something there for you?

Melissa: That, that you can partake of and still be with family.

Samantha: Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting question.

Melissa: Yeah. Okay, so back to the new one. So the new one, yeah, I do also think is another very important one. So, um, So, this one, the poster, is a female. She is married to another woman, and they, that woman came into their relationship, they've been together about 8 years, um, with children. And so, whenever they first started dating, the children were about 2, 4, and 8.

Samantha: And they were fostering, correct?

Melissa: No, They were her girlfriend's children.

Samantha: Oh, okay. For some reason I thought they were fostering and then she adopted, but they were the other woman's child and she adopted them.

Melissa: Yeah, once they actually, like, solidified,

Samantha: got married. Oh, okay, okay.

Melissa: Like, they wanted to make, become a whole family.

Samantha: Okay, okay, that makes sense.

Melissa: So, um, these children have been, , raised [00:13:00] by both of their mothers and, , they didn't have any ties to their biological father's family. They don't have any ties to their, their biological mother's family, because they disowned her when she came out. And then their adopted mother's family, they've grown up with. So, what's happened now, apparently, is the adopted mother, her brother had a baby with his girlfriend. And the parents are saying that that baby is their first grandchild. , what happened is they were all together at the grandparent's house and the brother made a joke about the grandparents spoiling his kid and they said, well we have to, it's our first grandchild. , and the brothers, , Girlfriend who was mother of said first grandchild said no wait. You mean first grandbaby. You have grandchildren and While the grandchildren the [00:14:00] now what 10 12 and

Samantha: they were older

Melissa: all of them sitting there now They're all sitting there, and the they the grandparents said no, they're not our real grandchildren This is our first grandchild And so we're going to spoil her. Um, so immediately , one of the moms, , got up and took the kids out to the car and the daughter of, the two said grandparents, she just confronted them and she said that, like, why would you say that?

And they just, they held their ground. They stood their ground. So, um,

Samantha: then basically it ended with, um, We aren't spending Thanksgiving with you. If that's how you feel.

Melissa: Oh, yes. Thank you. That's the Thanksgiving part, right? It was yeah, like, you know what? Honestly, if you can't see that these children are your grandchildren, then why we are not gonna be here for that.

Samantha: Oh, that's right. And then they told her don't ruin thanksgiving, our granddaughter's first Thanksgiving.

Melissa: Oh yeah, they said don't ruin our grandbaby's first Thanksgiving.

Samantha: That is wild.

Melissa: It's the one year old who we're all worried about [00:15:00] here.

Samantha: Um, First of all as someone of a blended family or with a blended family

Melissa: Yeah, actually I was excited to hear what you would have to say.

Samantha: Um unintentionally I remember When nora was first born and unintentionally Simon had made a comment to a stranger of like, oh, yeah, this is my first baby and That turned into a discussion. I was like, i'm sorry Why did you just tell that lady that that was your first baby? Child, like I'm really confused because you've been with my kids for a long time and he was like, oh I didn't mean it that way.

And so then I had to like explain like well They see you as a parent. Yeah, so I don't I don't think that's cool. And I would be very very offended if they ever heard that. Yeah, and So then he was like, oh you're right that that wasn't that's not what I meant and that won't happen again and then if we think of Andrew, so Andrew is not [00:16:00] Logan's biological dad, but Logan calls him dad. Um, Amelia is his biological child, but Andrew's parents and sister call Logan, their nephew, Amelia, their niece, and they all look after Nora too, even though there's literally like not even a responsibility there. And so if. Someone, if Simon's parents, which they actually have, and I said, no, no, no, we will not be doing this, um, want to say, like, oh, bring me my first grandchild, like, let's do something. I want to see my, my first grandchild or my only grandchild. I, I I would say no. You can. That's fine. But not on the holiday. We're going to be a family on the holiday and do family things, and if you feel like one of the kids is just your family, then you can see them on not [00:17:00] family gatherings and act that way, but not in front of the other kids and not around me.

Melissa: Totally. No, that's really got to be painful because those kids know, they don't know it. Even if they did have other grandparents, which they don't. These are their grandparents. They see them as grandma. Nana and Pop Pop is what they call them.

Samantha: That's even more intense than, like, what I'm explaining. Because that's, you think, they, they know. You know, you, you consider them family. So that would be really fucked up. And I think that that could cause some huge trauma to hear randomly that, Oh, we're not your grandchildren. I'm confused. Yeah.

Melissa: And like, I mean, so they know that they're adopted. So the, um,

Samantha: That doesn't mean anything. They know that they're adopted. , and with that, they understand that they were adopted by that lady's family. They also took on the responsibility in the names. They [00:18:00] didn't say, oh no, I'd prefer you to call us Jim and Jane. Like, no, they said go ahead and call us Grandma or whatever it was.

Melissa: Yeah, exactly.

Samantha: And Grandpa. So, it's not like it was just not their choice to accept the kids.

Melissa: Right.

Samantha: They accepted that. Right. So, it's really fucked up, and I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't take my kids to that Thanksgiving.

Melissa: Yeah, so I actually think that it's easy to make a mistake and And so like I have two sisters that I didn't grow up with. And sometimes I'll say, Oh yeah, when people ask me how many siblings I have, I'll say I have two brothers. And then I'm like, Oh shoot, no, I don't. I have, I have four siblings ... That I know of. But, um, and it's like, okay, so sure. I'm allowed to make the mistake, but I don't think that they have a right. Well, they have a right to do whatever they want. They have a right to be assholes, I guess. But, um, I just don't, I, what I'm guessing, I'm trying to say is for [00:19:00] Simon

Samantha: How would your sisters feel?

Melissa: If, if they had, they understand, but what, what they would understand because I'll even have in talking to them, I'll have said things like, oh yeah, and my dad, and I was like, wait, our dad. And so like, they understand, like, is there's certain things that don't come easy, but you like with Simon, where Simon was able to step back and be like, wait a minute, you're right. That's all that's needed. That's all that's needed is for us to try to do better.

Samantha: And he's never done it again. Yeah.

Melissa: Yeah,

Samantha: I think that does make a difference.

Melissa: Yeah, so I don't think that anybody is saying that.

Samantha: Like, even when I'm being a bitch and I'm like, my child feels blah blah blah. He goes, I'm sorry, our child? Yeah. And like, you know, we'll be talking about Amelia or Logan or something. hmm. Okay.

Melissa: Yeah.

Samantha: Alright. I'll stop being a bitch. ,

Melissa: but yeah, exactly. Like of course no one's asking us to be, or we're not saying that they need to be perfect.

Yeah. Um, but they do need to, if they want to [00:20:00] be part of the kids' lives, I would say that they need to,

Samantha: the mothers

Melissa: be a real fricking part of their lives.

Samantha: The mothers need to do what's right by their children and not stand for that division 'cause that's

Melissa: Mm-Hmm.

Samantha: I would start considering some separation. from the family and I don't know if that's just harsh.

Melissa: Especially because, well, they're really, really holding their ground though.

Samantha: Yeah.

Melissa: It's not even like they're trying to come back and the grandparents aren't even trying to come back and say.

Samantha: So like you said earlier, let's put ourselves into the grandparents shoes.

Melissa: Okay. Okay,

Samantha: so we have two children. We've been raising children or welcoming children into our lives. Now we have a biological child in our life. What do we feel?

Melissa: Well, we're uh, I mean, okay, I guess I can kind of take this for a second because I don't, I'm not probably going to have kids. It hasn't worked out for me. I've had miscarriages and such in the [00:21:00] past, , and so there's a part of me that can, um, A tiny bit understand like oh, I'd love to see what could come out of my body. Like that's my DNA right there, right?

Samantha: Question.

Melissa: Yes,

Samantha: okay You share full DNA with your brothers. Yeah, you share partial DNA with your sisters Yeah, do you ever feel more connected and more like your Full brother's kids are more your niece and nephew than your sisters. Or,

Melissa: oh, interesting. Yeah, no, because Christy's kids, like, now No, I saw Christy's kids way more when I lived in Texas. Um, no, I love them. They're my nieces and nephews.

Samantha: It doesn't matter how long you knew them, it doesn't matter whose they are. No.

Melissa: No, but I was trying to understand because like there is a part of me that has been like, look, [00:22:00] I'd be, I would love to see what, what could I make? What can my body make? But then I got to step back and I'm thinking, that's just kind of my ego though. And, um, I just want to be able to raise some children.

Samantha: Yeah.

Melissa: And I'm not going to care where they came from and who, you know. Like so yeah, I don't think it's fair. I don't think I can fully try to understand what the way They're thinking there's only a beginning part of it where i'm like Eh? No, but then you have to check yourself.

Samantha: Yeah, I I've always said that for some reason I have this very strong Intuitional feeling that somehow we end up with another boy Not from my body, so that won't be happening. So I have this feeling that somehow for some reason we end up adopting a boy. Yeah, and Why I just can't fathom Why that wouldn't be our son if that ever happened like I can't fathom like I know my mom would never be like Oh, that's not my grandchild [00:23:00] and I just can't fathom where that would, if you make a choice to adopt someone into your family.

Melissa: me either

Samantha: I just can't fathom how that would make a difference.

Melissa: Right.

Samantha: Who's yours and who's not.

Melissa: How can you go back and start saying like, wait, they're not really our kids though.

Samantha: Yeah. I don't know. That's all kinds of fucked.

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely the mothers need to start like, forming like, Either some separation or just setting up a a safe space for their own family.

Samantha: Yeah, it makes me really mad

Melissa: tell us what you guys think.

Samantha: Yeah, tell us how are you handling that. But let us know what personal Thanksgiving dramas you are handling. Do you have a personal Thanksgiving?

Melissa: I have a funny.

Samantha: You have a funny?

Melissa: Yeah.

Samantha: That you're personally going through?

Melissa: So, no, not personally right now. But, um, one of my best friends and I, like, we would always do Thanksgiving together. And it was our favorite holiday.

Samantha: Aww.

Melissa: Um, and I miss those days actually. But I'm not in the same state anymore, but um I have Since been back to visit and met [00:24:00] some of her friends that she's made since i've moved and I was informed that Uh, she invited her friends over thanksgiving But gave them recipes and said you have to bring this because this is how we do it

Samantha: Stop it.

Melissa: Was it like the recipe that you were responsible for bringing? Probably. Oh my god I don't know for sure what it was, but it was it's just hilarious and it's true Look We are fucking good cooks and Thanksgiving is like, it's more than just a holiday to us, but at the same time, everyone has their own traditions and I'm just laughing so hard, I'm like, how are you going to tell them that they can't bring what was important to them? Hey, you know what, I'm not judging either way. Cause I,

Samantha: two things. That goes back though to what we just talked about. That is so funny. You can't make people conform to like, what is your normal?

Melissa: Well, they still came.

Samantha: I have a feeling I know who that is and I am disappointed.

Melissa: Yeah?

Samantha: Because do not make them conform to your,

Melissa: to your normal?

Samantha: Yes, I, [00:25:00] and that's like, so we did a Friendsgiving. And obviously I have preferences on what I must have. And I must have this very particular, , broccoli cheese casserole. And I must have this particular macaroni. And like, Turkey, that's all I care about. I just have to have that. And my friends all wanted to bring a special thing that they have on Thanksgiving. And I was like, yeah, of course. Like that sounds awesome. And I remember everyone brought their little pieces and.

Melissa: Everyone stuck to eating their own? Just kidding.

Samantha: No, everyone tried every, I didn't. Everyone else tried a little bit of everything and I just was like, this is weird. You eat this? Uh, why, why? Like, oh, okay, what do you do with this? I'm like, oh, this is weird, but I'm glad you have it.

Melissa: It's so funny. Yeah, I mean like, I say no harm, no foul. The friend laughed it off. And wanted to be there anyway.

Samantha: What a trooper.

Melissa: Because the, [00:26:00] it's, you know, it's the Family is what's important. Granted our food is pretty important. No, just kidding.

Samantha: Okay, but that's also you guys expecting that They're also a good cook and that's going to taste equally as well when like if they would have brought their own

Melissa: Wait. It wasn't me Don't say you guys

Samantha: if They could bring their own personal dish. That's probably their expertise and that's probably going to be top knotch

Melissa: even better

Samantha: Yeah, they've already had experience with it

Melissa: honestly, I just think it's like being able to open up and let like more cultures come in but You Hey,

Samantha: you know, I'm not critiquing.

Melissa: I have a feeling that this person has grown since then. And I might be wrong. Maybe they'll be like, hell no, we're eating the same thing still every year.

Samantha: That is so funny,

Melissa: but, it is funny

Samantha: I'm not really mad about it.

Melissa: I know you're not.

Samantha: I'm being silly.

Melissa: You are hilariously silly.

Samantha: I know. , Logan had a silly or a funny, so we were driving to my mom's house and obviously Halloween's over. All the Christmas decorations are coming up and we drove, we drove past a house and Logan goes, I am [00:27:00] sick of this.

Melissa: Oh no! In one day

Samantha: And I was like, what? And he goes, I don't, why are people skipping the best holiday?

Melissa: You're, logan, you are so on it. I am with you. It's the freaking best holiday.

Samantha: Yeah, he was like, why aren't people putting up Thanksgiving stuff?

Why are they skipping Thanksgiving? It's all the food, all the family, and they're skipping Thanksgiving. I'm sick of it. And I just was staring at him and I was like, Oh, okay, tell me how you really feel, alright,

Melissa: that's interesting.

That's funny. I am all about the food as well. Um, okay, now I'm gonna go back and be my little politically correct self too. Of course there's aspects of Thanksgiving that are not politically correct and that make me sad. However, For me, it's about the food.

Samantha: I thought you were about to go somewhere like really dark or something.

Melissa: I was, I was going to talk about genocide. [00:28:00] No, I decided not to like actually like bring it up and turn it into a conversation. But yeah, like there's, there's, there's things about Thanksgiving that aren't amazing. Um, when you think about the history, like and Columbus and we're celebrating that kind of stuff. But for me, that's not what Thanksgiving is. Cause I, I love food so much and so I refuse to give up my food

Samantha: in a. In a non judgy, aggressive way. Yeah. I feel like if you tied Thanksgiving to just the history of it, but you still love Christmas. Yeah. Christmas is Christian.

Melissa: It's not though.

Samantha: No?

Melissa: The Christian was

Samantha: Stop it!

Melissa: Christians stole it from paganism. Like, Christians didn't even start with

Samantha: Stop it! No! Are you serious?

Melissa: I'm 100 percent serious.

Samantha: Wait, why the fuck don't they, like, are they not comfortable [00:29:00] celebrating Halloween, but they're like, fuck yes, Christmas. Like, they're melissa, you just like

Melissa: I broke you?

Samantha: Shattered my brain.

Melissa: Uh oh. Yeah, sorry. So, um, Christmas has also, has been, um, what's the word, appropriated by Christians. But no, that's like, that's fine though, like, that's what, that's what they want to use to celebrate the birth of Baby Jesus and that's fine.

Samantha: So after this episode, can you pull me information on this?

Melissa: Sure.

Samantha: Like now I need it.

Melissa: Yeah,

Samantha: I'm literally speechless

Melissa: like the the christmas tree like that's from paganism. Like that's a bough

Samantha: I can actually see that

Melissa: you put up

Samantha: paganism that's technically like the worship of plants like living.

Melissa: No, I got to do some more research on what paganism is Don't never mind. I'm not gonna try to pretend I know what it is exactly.

Samantha: Okay, we're gonna look that up because I mean I'm literally so curious.

Melissa: Yeah, lets look it up,

Samantha: like I have never heard of this.

Melissa: Yeah, so so, okay So when I say I can put aside the history [00:30:00] Of Thanksgiving because I don't even like I don't agree with it sure I'm gonna stick it it's like food for me, but I also do the same thing for Christmas because I'm not Christian and I Want to celebrate Christmas because I want to sit around the tree like it's nostalgic for me to sit, by a tree and enjoy.

Samantha: Yeah, right. That's all I've ever really thought about it So it was really interesting that you were taking it Um, in the direction of I don't believe in the history, but I like the food and the family and it's like, yeah. And I was like, that's what I've always done. So then I was just thinking, well, if you don't agree with the history of that, but love celebrating it, what about Christmas?

Melissa: Same.

Samantha: And I just hadn't,

Melissa: I don't agree with the history, but I'll celebrate it.

Samantha: I had no idea.

Melissa: But yeah, it actually didn't start Christian. That's true.

Samantha: Huh? All right. Well, learn something new every day. I'm going to start looking that up. And what, like, What are your guys's opinion? I have not heard that before. I'm excited to learn that.

Melissa: Let's look it up. Let's, let's do some fact checking,

Samantha: fact checking, look in a book.

Melissa: Yeah. Or on the computer [00:31:00] screen.

Okay. yeah,

Samantha: I'm not going to do the book thing. All right. That is Lottie. Don't lie.

Melissa: That's right.

Samantha: And she did not lie because we're going to look it up on Google.

Melissa: Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Don't hold me. I, that's why I'm like, I'm not going to do it.

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